Caitlin Dickerson & David Frum: How ICE Became Trump’s Secret Army

Thought Leader: David Frum

August 20, 2025

On this episode of The David Frum Show, The Atlantic’s David Frum begins with reflections on how Donald Trump’s sweeping immigration crackdown has transformed America into what he calls a “society based on fear.” Frum warns that the president’s methods risk discrediting not just immigration enforcement, but also law, police, and the very idea of democratic legitimacy.

Then Frum is joined by his Atlantic colleague Caitlin Dickerson, whose Pulitzer Prize–winning reporting has laid bare the human and institutional realities of immigration enforcement. They discuss her latest investigation into the staggering expansion of ICE and the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, which has supercharged its budget to unprecedented levels. Dickerson explains how billions of dollars in new funding are fueling mass detention, empowering private-prison companies, and reshaping U.S. diplomacy while failing to solve the core challenges of immigration.

David Frum, senior editor at The Atlantic and former speechwriter for President George W. Bush, offers sharp, historically grounded insights into American conservatism, global politics, and the challenges of democratic governance. With his deep experience and fearless commentary, Frum is a compelling speaker for anyone seeking to understand the future of democracy at home and abroad. To book David Frum, contact WWSG.

Caitlin Dickerson is a staff writer at The Atlantic. She received the 2023 Pulitzer Prize for Explanatory Reporting. She is an excellent keynote speaker. To host her at your event, contact WWSG.